mwana_isimu ([info]mwana_isimu) wrote,

yet another political rant

Periodically, I receive a mass e-mail from one of my extended family members about some terrible thing the liberals are trying to do, or how Hillary Clinton personally finances a militant group that wants to return California, Arizona, New Mexico and most of Texas to Mexico, or how we should all write and thank President Bush for protecting the sanctity of marriage. Today I got one from my aunt, who only sent it to her own children and husband (who all have similar views to hers), my sister, and me. I don't know how she chose my moderate-to-liberal sister and oh-so-liberal me, but she's probably trying to help us see the error of our ways. Today's e-mail is about Ted Kennedy and the Chappaquiddick incident in which he left a campaign worker, Mary Jo Kopechne, to drown in the lake while he went to sober up and try to cover his tracks. I think this is a terrible thing, assuming that this is what really happened, and I don't think there's too much controversy surrounding that. People pretty much accept that he did it, as far as I know. (I'm not real clear on how he got away with it.)

But this e-mail basically tried to discredit the entire Democratic Party because of one bad apple, who I think has tried over the years to do some good, even though he hasn't always been successful. It was written in such a way that the poor Republicans let themselves get bullied by this ever-powerful Kennedy, and included criticisms of his views on the Iraq war in the same sentence as a mention of Ms. Kopeche "gasp[ing] for air" in the submerged car. I felt it was disrespectful of Mr. Kopechne's memory. It also lets the "victims" of Kennedy's "rants about deception and moral turpitude inside the Bush White House" off the hook, since he's in no position to judge. Never mind that millions of people across the country feel the same way as Senator Kennedy, and we have not all been involved in a manslaughter-type incident.

I suppose the e-mail is right about the idea that Democrats should find somebody else, say, someone who has not been involved in another person's death, to make such criticisms in the very public way that Senator Kennedy does. Then maybe fewer people would be likely to tune them out.

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[info]justamum

August 2 2005, 21:21:00 UTC 6 years ago

People, in general, find it necessary to stereotype groups and politicians are no different. I have heard the story about Ted Kennedy before, but do not remember the details. There are several politicians that should not be in their current position based on their pasts, both Democrats and Republicans.

Even if the Democrats replased Kennedy with someone else, Republicans would still "tune them out" even when they have valid points to make! Remember, you're a liberal and I'm conservative so I am always right...just kidding.

[info]mwana_isimu

August 3 2005, 16:18:09 UTC 6 years ago

People, in general, find it necessary to stereotype groups

I agree with this. In my sociolinguistics class, we saw SOOO many examples of "us vs. them" and evil depictions of "the other", no matter who the other was. I guess we just like to stick with people who share our own background, views, physical appearance, or whatever. I must admit that I'm just as guilty of demonizing right-wingers as Republican politicians are of demonizing left-wingers, or even relative moderates. It's a difficult trap to avoid.

It just seems that everything is so polarized right now. I know it was bad under Clinton, too, but I somehow feel like Bush provokes the Democrats to some extent by putting forth people they simply can't accept, when they're not in a position to be able to do much about it. And then when they DO try to do something (like filibuster), he accuses them of the same type of partisan politics of which he himself is guilty. It's just so frustrating. For example, when Clinton wanted Richard Holbrook as UN ambassador, he waited 14 months for the Senate to finally approve him; when John Bolton wasn't approved by the Senate to be UN ambassador, Bush went ahead and snuck him through during the summer recess. That kind of "Nah nah! I can do what I want!" action drives me nuts.

[info]justamum

August 3 2005, 21:22:43 UTC 6 years ago

I don't see things getting any better for quite some time. Maybe if McCain would have become president things would have been different. Why do we have to group people into political parties? You and I are at opposite ends with our political affiliations, but still tend to agree or at least see the other side in many issues. A politician that has views on an issue similar to the "other side" is seen as a traitor almost. Who cares what your party wants you to do, we elected *you* based on what *you* believe!

I am a Bush supporter, but agree he can be very cocky at times and that does nothing to bring the divided parties together.

[info]mwana_isimu

August 3 2005, 21:46:21 UTC 6 years ago

Does Bush still proclaim himself to be "a uniter, not a divider", or has he given up on that rhetoric? I haven't heard it in a long time, but he certainly used that as a selling point in the 2000 campaign, and it has definitely turned out not to be true.

Interesting that you think we agree on many issues. What issues do we agree on? Maybe as a military spouse, you're not at liberty to say. If that's the case, I respect that.

[info]calypso72

August 3 2005, 15:12:14 UTC 6 years ago

Actually, it would't be such a bad thing if New Mexico and most of Texas were returned to Mexico ;-)

[info]mwana_isimu

August 3 2005, 16:19:01 UTC 6 years ago

Two fewer red states! And one of them with a ton of electoral votes! Yea!

[info]justamum

August 3 2005, 21:26:42 UTC 6 years ago

I'd like to keep the "red" states (as long as that's the way I voted that year), thank you very much!

[info]mwana_isimu

August 3 2005, 21:43:58 UTC 6 years ago

Oops! I generally don't have a problem with red states. (All my relatives come from red states.) It's just that with the way things are right now, I would love to see things get a little more purple, and Texas has a LOT of red! I could possibly vote for a Republican someday, but s/he would have to be a LOT more mainstream than President Bush.

[info]mwana_isimu

August 3 2005, 21:51:25 UTC 6 years ago

as long as that's the way I voted that year

This reminds me of a scene in "Love, Actually", which I've watched a gazillion times because it was one of two DVD's I had in Mayotte. Hugh Grant is British prime minister and Billy Bob Thornton is U.S. president. (Go figure.) The two of them are having a discussion, and the P.M. says, "Just give me a second", as he gets up to go get something in another room. The president says, "I'll give you anything you want. [Pause] As long as it's not something I want to give." :-)

[info]gr8snood

August 3 2005, 18:57:36 UTC 6 years ago

Hee hee...I've never been too fond of Texas. They just seem to have such an attitude about their state. I mean, how often do you see people drive around with a "God Bless New Hampshire" or "Don't mess with Minnesota" bumper sticker on their cars? ;)

In all seriousness, it is very troubling to me how so many people just seem to have a mental roadblock. It's so much easier for them to simply judge others based on stereotypical groups than to try to actually get to know them as individuals and learn that all of us, red, blue, black, or white really have more in common than we have differences.

I do think that Bush used Bolton's nomination basically as a way to thumb his nose at the Senate. I also think that it was a very irresponsible choice. We need a diplomatic voice in the UN and it would actually help Bush achieve any changes he supposedly thinks the UN needs if he had chosen someone more diplomatic and less of a hardliner. I really think that even the republicans saw this and saw that this would pretty much be the Texan equivilent of shooting oneself in the foot.

We all have to fight the fact that usually the dumbest or worst among us are often the loudest. I mean, look at the bad image that Christians are earning lately? I feel like I have to qualify myself by saying yes, I'm Catholic and a Christian, but I'm not like . I was listening to NPR the other day where muslims were speaking out about how much it angers them that terrorists have co-opted their religion to use as a justification for hatred. All I could think was, I'm with you, brother!

All I can hope is that the next few elections will clean things out. This country needs an enema! ;)

[info]mwana_isimu

August 3 2005, 21:19:16 UTC 6 years ago

I also felt that pushing Bolton through over the summer recess was a slap in the face to the Senate. What is the big f'in deal about nominating somebody else? Oh, wait. That might look like admission that a mistake was made. Couldn't have THAT, could we. (Remember in one of the presidential debates when a woman asked the president to name three mistakes he had made in his first term, and he couldn't even come up with ONE? It took me about ten seconds to come up with five. He really does think he can do no wrong, doesn't he?)

I feel like I have to qualify myself by saying yes, I'm Catholic and a Christian, but I'm not like [insert hateful act or person here].

I first thought that said "insert hateful actor or person here." I thought, "What actors go around proclaiming themselves as Christians and not being good representatives of Christianity?" I guess the only one I could come up with was possibly Mel Gibson. But "act" makes sense.

[info]gr8snood

August 3 2005, 21:26:57 UTC 6 years ago

It shows a profound lack of character to be unable to admit your mistakes. Most of the people I admire most are those who are open about their weaknesses and work on them, not those who simply pretend they don't exist. My new counsellor said something very profound the other day when I was talking with her about the situation with my brother-in-law...she said, "It's difficult for those who are perfect to tolerate the rest of us, isn't it?" LOL!

[info]mwana_isimu

August 3 2005, 21:53:52 UTC 6 years ago

Well, you know, we do what we can, we perfect people. ;-)

[info]mwana_isimu

August 3 2005, 21:53:14 UTC 6 years ago

How about "Everything's smaller in Rhode Island"?
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